In acest mesaj voi posta toate mail-urile pe care le-am avut cu John Koziol despre conferinta de pe 25. Veti vedea ca John s-a cam auto-invitat, ca eu am incercat sa fac fata onorabil, in numele comunitatii, unei astfel de provocari (si aspectul financiar a fost cel mai important), ca i-am cerut confirmarea ca vine, in mod explicit, si ca la fel de explicit mi-a raspuns ca vine, pentru ca este foarte important, ceea ce m-a determinat sa initiez thread-ul de inscrieri. Cu toate acestea, aseara mi-a trimis un mail in care anuleaza venirea sa la Bucuresti. Daca as fi avut cea mai mica idee ca o sa ne-o (mi-o) traga in halul asta, as fi stat in banca mea.

In acest moment caut alt speaker. Sansele sa gasesc sunt extrem de mici pentru ca mai sunt doar 10 zile. Astept sugestiile dvs. legate despre ce-ar trebui sa facem daca nu gasesc speaker. Ca idee, sunt deschis oricaror sugestii si comentarii (fie ele si negative, la adresa oricui - inclusiv a mea). Singura mea greseala a fost ca am avut incredere in cineva cu "nume" in lumea VFP.

Eu sunt incapatanat rau rau, si sunt hotarat sa transform acest sut in fund intr-un pas inainte - ca acest eveniment sa se tina si sa fie chiar mai bun. Cu toate acestea, este posibil ca unii dintre dvs. sa nu fie de acord cu punctul meu de vedere. In cazul in care nu sunteti de acord, daca va numarati printre cei care au virat taxa de participare va rog sa-mi trimiteti un mail, si banii va vor fi trimisi inapoi pana la ultimul leu, in aceeasi zi, inclusiv taxele si comisioanele interbancare. Ma consider un om de onoare si vreau sa ma tineti minte asa. Ca atare, va rog sa faceti efortul sa cititi sirul de mail-uri de mai jos, sa trageti dvs. propriile concluzii si apoi sa decideti ce facem in continuare.

From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:54 PM
To: John Koziol
Subject: Re: Hiya Grigore!

Hi John!

Wow, your message is a real suprise :) Thanks for
considering me.


Well, here's the situation: I think I can get Microsoft
Romania involved in this event. They did this once,
for Ken Levy, but I need to know if you agree with
this (don't ask why, but I suspect that you and/or
Mike could have somethign against MS. It's just a
hunch, I may be wrong).

Problem is $75 is a little high. Multiply it with 8-10
and you'll get the value in US terms. This summer's
Microsoft Summit (the most expensive event around) was
1 million ROL, which meant at that time about 30 USD.

However, I have reasons to believe that I can convince
MS to sponsor this event (conference room, food,
hotel, and so on). In this case the income could be
entirely yours, and maybe you can reconsider the price
and I am sure we'll get at least 70-100 attendees.
FYI, Ken Levy got 110 attendees in Bucharest, this
summer.

If you want, we can talk about this - my skype id is
GDOLGHIN, my Yahoo Messenger ID is GDOLGHIN.
Talking/Chatting is much faster than email.

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Hiya Grigore!
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:05:15 -0500
>
> I don't have Yahoo Messenger but I have MSN
> Messenger.  Lemme see if I can
> hook up from that.
>
> Hmmm....if MS sponsored the costs of the event
> (food, hotel, airfare,
> etc....) I could drop the price down to about $30
> US. 
>
>
>

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Postpone chat until Monday
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:29:46 -0500
>
> Grigore, I haven’t heard from Randy yet as he’s on a
> weekend trip to his
> Mom’s house so let’s postpone our discussion until
> Monday, when I’ll know
> more.  OK?
>
> 
>
> John
>
>

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Romania trip
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:57:50 -0500
>
> Randy is tentatively in!  So you have both of us.
> No word from Willaim yet.
>
>

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: We're a GO for March
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:27:16 -0500
>
> Looks like we’re a go but we have to do this in
> March due to scheduling
> conflicts.  Can you start talking to MS about this?
> Thanks. I’ll speak with
> you soon.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:10 PM
To: John Koziol
Subject: Re: We're a GO for March

Hi, John

I have an appointment set at MS Romania for monday,
January 16, 9:30 am. I'll let you know about the
result, but in the meantime it would be great if we'd
have a voice chat.

Thank you.

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: We're a GO for March
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:27:23 -0500
>
> I'll call you tomorrow or over the weekend, OK?

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: MS meeting:  How'd it go?
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:36:34 -0500
>
> Hi Grigore,
>
> 
>
> Today was a holiday here in the US so I was out with
> the family.  How did
> the MS Romania meeting go?
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:59 AM
To: John Koziol
Subject: Re: MS meeting: How'd it go?

Hi, John

They were open to my proposals, however they said they
need to ask Munchen (MS Europe) or Redmond for funds.

The local community lead guy, Zoli Herczeg, said
(quote from memory) "FoxPro is not a priority
and I'm not getting funds for it". I'm not sure
they'll get any for this event, so I started my own
fund raising campaign, because entrance fee will not
be enough. I expect about 50-80 people to come, which
I'm pretty sure is not enough.

Basically, I need to obtain funds to rent a conference
room and to provide food for attendees (about
$20/person, which means two coffee breaks and lunch).
This way the entrace fees received from attendees will
be yours.

I'll let you know about this. I wasn't able to talk to
Will this weekend - he said he is willing to fund some
of the expenses. However, I know nothing more about
this and I don't really want to base this event on
promises - I'd like to secure some funds by my own.

Thank you
Grigore Dolghin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:32 AM
To: jskoziol@msn.com
Subject: VFP Event

Hi, John

I have good news: I have secured half of the required
funds; specifically - the catering (most important
expense  - $20 per attendee, up to 2000-2500 USD).
That means we can lower the entrance fee while keeping
the same income flowing.

I will continue looking for sponsors, in order to make
even easier for attendees to come. However a fee will
still exist, though - in my oppinion we're not in
position to make the event free.

I'm still waiting for agenda, please, whenever you
have time.

Thank you very much.
Grigore Dolghin.

P.S. Drop me a mail if you receive this message,
please.
Thanks. :)

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: VFP Event
> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:02:33 -0500
>
> Hi Grigore,
>
> I've been unexpectedly busy but will have an agenda
> for you very soon.
> Sounds good!
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:48 AM
To: John Koziol
Subject: RE: VFP Event

Hi, John

More good news:

a) We have chosen the conference room. You can see it
yourself if you open www.romexpo.org, go to menu,
click "Tur virtual 360", in the combo select "Pavilion
2 - Sala Eminescu" and have a 360 degrees look.

It will be "Eminescu" or "Sadoveanu" conference room.
They are similar in size (200-400 places).

b) No worries about sound. The expositional complex
provide sound for a fee.

c) We will provide simultaneous translation service.
Headsets and the rest of logistics are available - I
just need to find a good translator, which I'm pretty
sure I can find easily.

d) Your hotel/dinner expenses are covered, thanks to
the sponsor I have found.

e) Final conference fee: 25 EUR/person. I have opened
the registration list yesterday evening and today I
already have 15 registrations.

f) I need to ask you if you're still planning multiple
conferences (you told me about Bulgaria, Ukrain and
Russia). Are they still on the table, or Romania is
your only destination?

Drop me a mail about this whenever you have time,
please.

Thank you very much.
Grigore Dolghin

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: VFP Event
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:50:50 -0500
>
>
> Great work, Grigore
>
> Agenda: 
>
> 9:00  -  10:00 :  VFP in a .Net world (Where VFP
> excels)
> 10:00 - 12:00 :  VFP and Vista...Preparing for the
> next version of
> Windows
> 13:00 - 16:00 :  VFP and Selling to clients
>
> I am not planning multiple talks at this time as I
> have had no time to do so
> and am in the process of negotiating a new job and
> not sure that would sit
> well with a potential new employer.
>
> Everything else looks good!
>

In acest mail il intreb in mod explicit daca vine, datorita posibilului conflict cu serviciul pe care urma sa-l obtina:

-----Original Message-----
From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:25 AM
To: John Koziol
Subject: RE: VFP Event

Hi John

Thank you very much for the agenda. I have updated the
website's front page.

As far as I understand, this event may be in
contradiction with your current plans (I mean your
job). If this gives you headaches, please let me know
- it's not too late to cancel it.

Your last e-mail says nothing about Randy. Has this
changed? Are you coming alone?

Thank you.
Grigore Dolghin.

Aici Randy a iesit din discutie, si eu am modificat corespunzator prima pagina a site-ului. De asemenea, mi-a confirmat explicit ca vine, ca e important, blah-blah.

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: VFP Event
> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:40:18 -0500
>
> Yes, I'll be alone.  I'm not worried about a
> contradiction with my potential
> job.  I feel like this is very important and I will
> make the time.

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Update on event?
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:37:34 -0500
>
> Hey Grigore….
>
> 
>
> Where are we for the event?  Thanks.
>
> 
>
> John

> From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:39 AM
> To: John Koziol
> Subject: Re: Update on event?
>
> Hi John - thanks for mail
>
> I've been yesterday to Romexpo and paid for
> conference
> room, audio system and simultaneous translation
> system. Now I have to find a good translator :)
>
> Next step is to contact the catering company (which
> is
> the same company that provides catering for MS
> events).
>
> This morning, at 9:15 I have a second meeting at MS.
> They have called me to meeting because the new DPE
> was
> named. The guy said (from memory) "I have big plans
> for communities and VFP community is one of them".
> Well... let's see what they are up to.
>
> I don't depend on them anyway - the event expenses
> (including your trip and hotel) are fully covered
> from
> sponsorships and whatever we'll cash as conference
> fees is yours. Btw, do you have an amount as
> expectation? If yes, I'd be glad to hear it, in
> order
> to know what my target is.
> ------------------------
>
> On the other hand: Will Sanders keeps saying he'll
> pay
> for your trip. However, he's "mondo busy, buddy,
> didn't have time". Well... this is definately not
> the
> way I see him helping.
>
> So we'll go by ourselves. Don't worry, everything is
> covered here.
>
> Thank you very much.
> Grig.

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:56:10 -0500
>
> My target is that I don't lose money. 

> From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:17 AM
> To: John Koziol
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
>
> Hi, John
>
> Please have absolute no worries you'll lose any
> money.
> Expenses are fully covered from sponsorships.
> Conference fee is a variable, Will's promise is a
> variable as well, and I'm a data guy. I like
> constants
> :) - that's why I don't depend on variables.
>
> I estimate about 1000 (possible 1500) for you as
> income (I'm not counting on Will in this
> estimation).
> I have no idea what is the income speakers earn
> during
> events in US, so if you know, please drop me a line
> -
> I'd like to know and try to offer you a similar
> amount
> (if it's not too big, of course :).
>
> Thank you
> Grig.

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:24:27 -0500
>
> Speakers at conferences get an "honorarium" that can
> be anywhere from 100 to
> 500 dollars.  The whole idea is the exposure, not
> the income.  The income
> for solo speakers for day-long events can be
> anything from 0 to 200,000(!).
>
> If I make 1,000 after expenses I'll be happy.
>
> But what's more exciting, Grigore, is that you have
> almost completely pulled
> this off.  You can use this as a model to bring
> other speakers into
> Bucharest.  I think you may have found a new career
> <g>
>
> How should I or you handle airline reservations?
>

> From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:52 AM
> To: John Koziol
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
>
> Hi, John
>
> Good, this is a start. At least I know where my
> target
> should be. I'm working on this. (specifically - I
> mean
> $1000 as "honorarium" as you said).
>
> I have no darn idea at this moment how to handle the
> flight reservation. I flew only once in my life and
> I
> didn't pay for tickets at that time. Give me one or
> two days and I'll come back to you with more info.
>
> About the new career - no thank you :). I had a
> really
> hard time to make this happening and I don't want to
> be involved in such business again. :)
>
> Thank you for the e-mail. I'll come back to you with
> more info in flight reservations.
>
> Grigore Dolghin

--- John Koziol <jskoziol@msn.com> wrote:

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:27:46 -0500
>
> I'll handle the reservation, don't worry about it.
> I'll email you the price
> to count versus expenses.

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:39:46 -0500
>
> Grigore,
>
> Originally we had started this with the proposition
> that you were paid 10 or
> 15% of the gross proceeds.  However, it seems to me
> that with all the work
> you have done, the fair thing is that I take a
> $1,000 honorarium with
> expenses paid and you net the rest as your profit
> regardless of the amount.
> Are you fine with that? How many people are signed
> up?
>
> John

> From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:51 AM
> To: John Koziol
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
>
> Hi there.
>
> Yes, we did start this with the proposition I should
> be paid 10%-15%, but I said "no". I still say "no",
> John. I'm not doing this for money, but for
> community, and I'm glad to be helpful.
>
> We have about  30 registrations by now. Well...
> we'll see about that.
> I'm still working on registrations, using both
> methods ("hey, we're a community, we should handle
> this together, come on, guys" versus this:
>
> http://www.profox.ro/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/threadid/4068/scope/posts/Defa
> ult.aspx
>
> The 32nd message says "for this event we have to
> register. If this community lets me alone against
> the
> bills, then I'll consider myself free from any
> obligations regarding this community. Looking from
> this point of view, please remember that domanin
> www.profox.ro belongs to me, personally. How does
> this
> sound?"
>
> We'll see about this. In any case, you shouldn't
> worry. I had a conversation with sponsors yesterday,
> after receiving your mail and they agreed to support
> your honorarium as well, if registrations won't
> cover
> it. IOW, even if we'll be just three of us in the
> conference room (you, me, and sponsor), expenses and
> honorarium are still covered. It's the best I can
> do.
>
> Thank you very much
> Grigore Dolghin.
>

> From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
> To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Update on event?
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:12:27 -0500
>
> That's great.  Talk to you soon.

> I'll get back to you shortly.  I'm getting a new job and trying to
> coordinate the event with the new employer.

> From: Grigore Dolghin [mailto:gdolghin@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:05 AM
> To: John Koziol
> Subject: Re: Romania, March 25
>
> Ok, thank you very much.

Si aici mi-a dat cu firma in cap:

From: "John Koziol" <jskoziol@msn.com>
To: "'Grigore Dolghin'" <gdolghin@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: Romania, March 25


> BIG PROBLEM
>
> I start my new job on the 20th and my employer is refusing me any time-off
> for the 1st 90 days.  Therefore, I have to postpone or cancel.
>
> I am very sorry but it's not my choice.  Perhaps I could get Randy or Mike
> Stewart to take my place or we can move the date.  Which would you prefer?
>
> John

>I have been working to get a replacement since last night.  Waiting to hear
> from Randy, Mike, and others.  I will hopefully have a replacement very very
> soon. I've already spoken to Doug Hennig and Craig Boyd since they are
> intimately involved in Sedna but they declined.
>
> Is there anyone would would/would not be acceptable that I'm not thinking
> about?
>
> Working hard to resolve this, Grigore......

L-am contactat pe Andy Kramek, sa vina el. A zis ca vine, daca ii platesc avionul la business class. Daca iti faci rezervarea din timp, mai e cum mai e, dar daca vrei sa pleci in mai putin de doua saptamani, preturile se dubleaza. Concret, putin peste USD 6000 - doar biletele de avion. Din pacate, oricat de mult as vrea, nu pot sa acopar o astfel de suma.

> Hi Grigore
>
> Well, I could certainly do it, but the problem is that the costs for travel
> at this short notice are horrendous - it would probably be cheaper for you
> to cancel! Trying to get a flight at less than 14 days notice is absurd in
> the USA - the prices more than double (they figure if you need it at that
> short a notice, you can darn well pay for it!!)
>
> The cheapest economy class fare from Cleveland to Bucharest at this short
> notice is well over $1000 - and business class (which is all that I would
> ever do anyway would be over $6000) - I wouldn't require any honorarium but
> these costs are surely way too high for you for just 40 people.
>
> If you can get the Business Class fare and a hotel covered, I will do it.
>
> Flight Details:
> 1 Adult  $5,887.00
> Taxes & Fees  $117.59
> Booking Fee  $5.00
>          Total  $6,009.59
>
> Traveling to Bucharest
>       Thu 23-Mar-06    Cleveland (CLE)  to   Boston (BOS)      Arrive 4:59
> pm
>      Boston (BOS)    to   Amsterdam (AMS)      Arrive 7:15 am +1 day  3,449
> mi
>       Fri 24-Mar-06    Amsterdam (AMS) to   Bucharest (OTP)  Arrive 12:45
> pm  1,110 mi
>
> Traveling to Cleveland
>       Mon 27-Mar-06   Bucharest (OTP)    Depart 6:15 am   to   Amsterdam
> (AMS)   Arrive 8:05 am  1,110 mi
>      Amsterdam (AMS)  to   Detroit (DTW)  Arrive 12:05 pm
>      Detroit (DTW)  to   Cleveland (CLE)
>
> Can you not find someone closer? What about one of the Czech speakers - try
> contacting Igor Vit at igorv@daquas.cz  or maybe Rainer Becker in Germany
> Rainer.Becker@Wizards-Builders.com can help - there are people like Woody in
> Munich, or Christof in Hamburg - anyone on that side of the Atlantic would
> be cheaper than someone from here - even if they were willing to make the
> journey in economy class (sorry, but I am too old and fat to travel anything
> but Business class these days).

Urata treaba,

 Grigore, eu oricum nu puteam sa vin la Bucuresti, dar daca pot sa ajut cu ceva bani pentru ca acest eveniment sa aiba loc sau pentru pierderile cauzate de o eventuala anulare sunt bucuros sa o fac.

SINCER

Salutare. Azi am fost practic absent de pe forum - am incercat sa rezolv problema speakerului. Well... urma sa avem un speaker. Nu mai vine? Paguba-n ciuperci. Acum avem DOI :) - Uwe Habermann si Venelina Jordanova.

Agenda evenimentului si informatii despre speakeri (evenimentele unde au participat, etc) vor fi postate maine. Zoli Herczeg se oferise sa trimita un newsletter special pentru conferinta asta, dar il rugasem sa se opreasca pentru ca tocmai aflasem ca nu ne mai vine speakerul. O sa-l contactez maine sa il rog sa dea drumul la newsletter.

Legat de subiectele posibile enuntate in mesajul anterior - eu unul le vad ca facand parte dintr-un workshop, nu dintr-o conferinta. Lucrurile de care ne lovim in fiecare zi sunt subiecte de laboratoare, workshop-uri, cum vreti sa le numiti. Conferintele trateaza lucrurile mai de sus, la un nivel mai general.

Nu stiu ce parere aveti despre evolutia asta, dar este tot ce-am putut sa fac in 2 zile. Speakerii sunt foarte greu de gasit intr-un timp atat de scurt.

Greu de crezut dar asta e.

 O sa vin si eu la Bucuresti. Sunt convins ca oricum nu ne va ajunge timpul la cate vor fi de discutat.

Horatiu